MrsFlynn's House of Tacky
House of Tacky => Sims 3 Library => Let's Build => Topic started by: MrsFlynn on August 13, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
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Sorry Lapaige... I couldn't wait, so I created the house build challenge thread. lol
I absolutely love house build requests!! I'm happy to now know someone else that loves building as much as I do.
Here's a link to the build request and photos Build Request (https://www.carls-sims-4-guide.com/forum/index.php?topic=1818.msg512143#msg512143) ~ 1800's Home.
I'm going with House #1. Here's some floorplan photos. Won't be quite the same the house pictured, but that's where I got my inspiration. :)
Foundation

Main Floor

Unfurnished house build, on a 30x40 long lot. The front deck faces the street.
Lapaige, you don't have to share photos of your floorplan if you don't want. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!!
Yo Nindigo... You'z up for the challenge too?! lol If not, I completely understand.
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Links to Past House Build Challenges:
House Build Challenge #7 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=468.0)
House Build Challenge #6 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=429.0)
House Build Challenge #5 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=415.0)
House Build Challenge #4 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=395.0)
House Build Challenge #3 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=369.0)
House Build Challenge #1 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=249.0)
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Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll do it tomorrow. It's only a day away. (Paraphrased Annie 1982).
Can't start today. I feel like Alice's white rabbit. Running, running, running.
Wait...this says Challenge #2. Where's #1?
What are the rules on CC?
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The first house build is linked here - Game Limitations ~ House Build Challenge #1 (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=249.msg2542#msg2542)
Looks like CC is fine. :)
Should I wait to show photos of the actual house or just go right ahead and post photos?
I am building an unfurnished house w/possibly CC windows and doors. Depending on how they look after being added to the house.
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Here are some progress photos.


As I was trying to edit the front porch I made a mistake and it messed up the roofline. So I have to re-do the roofline. But I am pretty happy with the results so far.
It's a 2-story home with stairwell to future basement. I can't really tell how many bedrooms/bathrooms this will turn out to have. Currently there are 5 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms. 3 Bedrooms up and two on the main floor with a family room upstairs or space to add another room if desired.
I have decided to use CC Windows and Doors. Here are the links to the CC I will be using. I am adding the Victorian Style Build sets just in case I decide to use anything from them too.
Mutske QueenAnne Build Set #1 (https://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Mutske/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/queen-anne-buildset-part-1/id/1221487/) ~ QueenAnne Windows
Mutske QueenAnne Build Set #2 (https://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Mutske/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/queen-anne-doors-and-arches/id/1222722/) ~ QueenAnne Doors and Arches
Victorian Style Build Set #1 (https://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Mutske/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/victorian-style-buildset/id/1047337/) ~ Roof Decor, Wall Coverings and Windows
Victorian Style Build Set #2 (https://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Mutske/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/victorian-style-buildset-part-ii/id/1050819/) ~ More Roof Decor and Fencing
I'll take more progress photos after I get the roofline fixed. :)
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I was able to get the roofline put back together. I am pretty impressed with it. It's better than it was before the mess-up.
Still a work-in-progress, but it's coming together. Yay!! I am pleased at how this house is looks. Those windows have made it become the house I was hoping for!!
Here's a few screenshots:


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Well done!!
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Thank you!! :)
I am excited to see what you come up with!!
I added flooring and a few little things, but didn't get photos. I'm getting ready to jump in and do a little more. And will share photos soon.
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I think I might be finished with the build(s). lol I am really happy with this build overall. Except I didn't leave much of a backyard. So the garden will have to go to the side. Though there is a very small area behind the back bedroom that could be used as a small garden area.
Here are some photos of what I call B1 - Livingroom and the upstairs front bedroom have walls in the turret rooms


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Nothing much has changed in what I call B2, except I took out the walls in the turret to make both the livingroom and upstairs front bedroom feel more open.


House Information:
* Name: Walton
* Bds/Ba: 5Bds\5Ba
* Price On Lot - B1: §55,170. ~ Unfurnished
* Price On Lot- B2: §53,638. ~ Unfurnished
* Lot size: 30x40 long lot
* Unique Things: 2-Story home w/ open Basement
- B2 Livingroom and upstairs front bedroom are more open.
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Patch Version: 1.67 -- Compatible with future patches.
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Includes items from:
Mutske CC QueenAnne Windows and Doors
Fencing and Arches are from University
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Created By: MrsFlynn ~ Aug.2021
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I like B2 with the more open space. Having said that though, Homes built back then tended to have smaller closed off rooms.
Also, just for the record, I don't think it's PC anymore to call it a "Master" bedroom/bathroom. It's now known as the "Primary" :::insert eyeroll here::::
I have a few chores to do and then I'll get at it after a bit of research.
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I was wondering if there was a different term for that room/suite. I wasn't sure what the correct term for the bigger bedroom was. I've always known it as the master bedroom or master suite. But I will change that in my notes. :)
Thank you for the confirmation.
I too like the more open concept build. I contemplated taking out the other wall and arch between the livingroom and hall area. I really like that there, so I left it.
Oooh... and for some more inspiration!!
42 House Designs with a Turret (Old and New Houses)
https://www.homestratosphere.com/house-designs-with-turrets/
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I think it's kind of silly myself, but then I guess I'm just old and little of this PC stuff makes sense to me.
Thanks for the link. I'm sure I've taken pictures of some of those places myself. Having done several road trips around the country I usually want to search out the older part of the cities we visited so I have scads of pictures of all types of architecture that are featured in different parts of the country from San Francisco Victorian to deep south plantation houses, to Carolina Coastals, etc. That's my thing (which I may have mentioned a time or two. :D)
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I'm not up on the PC lingo either. *Blush*
You're welcome!! :)
I'm getting ready to post my build, it's ready to download. Do you want me to wait till you get yours done?
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No, go ahead. I'm just trying to decide what size lot to put mine on. I'm trying to put it on the smallest lot I can so that it can be placed on a bigger lot rather than starting it on a large lot. So I'm just starting to lay it out on Builder's Island.
And my sister is chatty this morning and keeps texting me and derailing my train of thought. :D
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Awesome!! Thank you!!
A 30x40 lot was requested. Though the house could be built on a 30x30, for example and then moved to a larger lot.
You might already know how to edit the house details, but just in case I made a how2 on it.
here (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=264.msg2790#msg2790)
I've put together my post on the new house!!
Walton (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=265.msg2791#msg2791) ~ Residential (30x40)
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I just saw it. It looks good. As usual I'm tormenting myself with the roof. I have a particular vision and the roof is not cooperating at all. I have to learn to be more flexible. :(
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I'm fidgeting with a build myself and wanted to pop in and let you know having a basement isn't a requirement. I just have a habit of adding basements to most of my builds. lol
Ohhh speaking of the roof I had a heck of when I was trying to do the roof. I am not used to working with the octagon roofing, but was able to work something out that I am very proud of.
I don't really have any tips on roofing other than play with the different angled roof pieces to find which one will work best for what you're trying to do.
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I know. It's always a struggle for me because I seem to end up with complicated roofs. Working with diagonals doesn't mesh will with straight. I might try the octagon to see if that will work better. This could take a couple of days. :D
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I've played around with the vertical roofing and haven't had problems with it. You have to pull and push the roofing different ways. I am so not explaining that correctly.
When I am fidgeting with different roof types I try placing them different ways from the front, back or even the sides. Trying to make it all come together and look nice.
I can try to help if you'd like?
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As usual, I'm trying to make things do what I want them to do and not the way the game is designed. I've got one on now that is satisfactory. Not quite the look I was going for but that's the usual game limitations. And that was just the porch!! :D
I'm about to tackle the main roof now.
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Are you taking progress photo? lol Or you too disgusted to do so right now? If so I completely understand. :)
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I am, and can. Shortly. :D
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Yay!! I know I've said this a million times, but I am excited to see what you come up with.
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Struggling to get a turret roof centered. Need lunch...I'm facing away...back shortly. Oh, the suspense and anticipation...
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That's one of the roof pieces I struggled with the most. I don't know if this will work or not, but what I tried is starting at the back left and pull to the right. Tried to make it as small as I could which ended up being 5x5 otherwise it didn't look right.
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Your turret is bigger than mine so it wants to go to one side or the other. I just want to get all the roof piece on before I share any photos in case I have to change something. But it won't be long. I promise. :)
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I completely understand. :)
I was looking at more houses with turrets and was thinking I might have made it too big, as it stands out more. Not like some other houses that have the turret closer to the main roof.
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I started on a 20 x 30 lot then had to change to a 30 x 30 to accommodate the side porch. It can easily be dropped into the requested 30 x 40 lot.
So far the basic outline and roof is pretty close to what I was trying to achieve. Now I'm going shopping for windows and trim. :D
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I just noticed that the turret roof in the back was off kilter so I've fixed it.
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My jaw is to the floor, that is awesome!! :)
I love all the different roof types and shapes used!!
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Thank you. I know I'm just going to get more frustrated because I won't have access to the proper trim around the windows/doors.
But I went back to my favorite https://b-5studio.com and picked up some stuff that I had lost as well as some windows from Mutske. I want to finish the exterior before I start working on the inside floor plan.
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I'm getting a security risk message when trying to visit the B-5Studio site. I have visited that site before, but it's been awhile. I'm using Firefox. I suppose I can try it with Chrome.
What Windows from Mutske will you be using?
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Edited to Add: Just tried Chrome and it's giving me a security risk message as well.
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I didn't get the security thing through Chrome. Apparently she, like a lot of other people, are very unhappy with Tumblr because their restrictions are getting really tight.
I'm not sure yet what windows I'm going to use. I may use the ones you did but I also like the ones from B5 though they're more Craftsman. One of the contributors to her work goes by the name of Pocci. Apparently that site is long gone but a couple of people have found their downloads. Another one I like is Luna. There's a site for all her finds as well.
Pocci - https://mega.nz/folder/qJMEEKBJ#k-Obuo4yFQKAJhNqyCyDCQ
Luna - https://thesimstomb.tumblr.com/
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Thank you for sharing those links. I've heard something about Tumblr policy getting stricter and players being upset about, but haven't seen any source articles.
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Have you ever had an issue placing windows on diagonal walls? I do it all the time but for some reason I can't get a particular (CC) window to place though I have them elsewhere on the house.
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Yes, every now and again I'll have issues placing windows diagonally. You might try placing them with moveobjects on? That is specially helpful when you need to place windows on the 2nd floor, for example and there's a roofline in the way.
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I really hate when I've written a reply then close the window before posting it. It must be time to quit. I'm getting hungery and the game is starting to go flaky on me.
The windows just decided to go where I wanted them. No rhyme or reason for being stubborn.
Progress Update - Front elevation so far.
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I can so relate to that!!
Yep those are good signs it's time to quit.
I am happy to hear the windows are placing correctly. :) The house is coming along beautifully!! I love that you're able to use the roof decor. My roofline was not high enough from what I gather. I also love the colors you're using!!
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Those brackets should have worked on yours just fine. It's a real challenge to place them. If you can get them to line up where you want them, you can move them up or down. Sometimes you might have to change the pitch of your roof slightly to make them work.
I was awake for a few hours in the middle of the night so I'm just getting up now. I'll be mobile in about an hour and I'll get back to work.
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I tried to place them on the front of the house and did try moving the up and down with the mouse. The roofline is too low. I tried changing the roof pitch, but then it just looked off to me, so went back to a previous save and left the roof as it is.
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I love the house I built, but what bugs me is that I built it too far back on the lot. It's workable as is there is room behind the house for a small garden. But I have this bad habit of having large gardens. *Blush* Though there is room for another garden on the side of the house, so there is that.
I really like the idea you're going with build on a smaller lot and then player can place house on any bigger lot desired for more space.
You can do that with mine as well, but I've never been one to really like playing with large lots because the lag gets to be too much.
40x40 is okay, but any bigger than that is a pain to play with.
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My problem is usually building too far forward and then I have a problem with porches and steps.
Making progress. Had to shut down for a bit because it was getting flaky. I think I spend as much time searching for specific objects as I do actual building.
I just need to add a few more windows and I'll post another progress update.
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The more you build the more you'll get a feel for where to start the build so you're able to leave room for porches and steps. I usually count at least 2 squares to the right and left of the properly line as the game won't let you build on the 1st line on the outter edge of the property.
Then from the front I count anywhere between 4 and 6. squares or rows in to leave room for a small front yard and steps.
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The build request did ask for an unfurnished home if that helps?
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Exterior and interior screenshots. Victoriana is all about excess. This is certainly excessive!
I'm going to move it to a bigger lot and do some landscaping (including outhouse).
Edited to add: I see a couple of things I need to fix
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Oooh Wow!! What a beautiful house!!
I think I like yours better. lol
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Thank you. A combination Port Townsend, WA and Eureka, CA. :D
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I love the inside shots!!
Is the house ready for download? :)
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Soon.
You can find my build with the link below:
The Townsend (https://jadekitten.net/mfhot/index.php?topic=268.msg2837#msg2837) ~ (30x40)
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Okay, cool!!
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I've changed some of the back end of the house to allow for more "modern" updates.
I created a powder room next to the stairs as well as a hallway for the bedrooms for more privacy. I also wanted a mudroom by the back door and I needed a wall to accommodate a china cabinet in the dining area.
If one wanted to, they could use the dining area as a breakfast nook and create a more formal dining room in the sunroom.
Vintage appliances and sink as well as the mudroom bench, courtesy of "Cashcraft" on TSR.
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That is looking lovely!!!
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Thank you. I'm modernizing it to a point but I still want it to have a bit of a vintage appeal.
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Yep. You designed the kitchen somewhat similar to the way I was envisioning how the kitchen would come together.
You know when you look at an empty house and you get a vision of for example of what the kitchen could be like.
That's the only room that I got a vision of. The rest I'm still coming up blank for. Wait, that's not entirely true... the two bedrooms downstairs - 1 would be a toddler room and the other the main bedroom downstairs with a writer's nook.
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The kitchen pretty much designed itself I think. There aren't a lot of options for placement. The pantry door kind of dictates that.
I suspect the turret is the space you're envisioning for your writers nook. I've turned that into a bathroom.
However, now I' having other ideas for that space. I'm thinking instead of using those for bedrooms, I'd create a family room and study. But family rooms weren't a thing back then, though. I'm conflicted but since I'm trying to keep it with a vintage feeling, I'll let it be for the moment.
I might build a duplicate somewhere else and make it more modern. It wasn't uncommon in those days to have houses repeated. There were only so many designers and builders.
It's too early to be making rational decisions. Last night was one of my broken sleep nights so I'm only just getting mobile and not very quickly at that.
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I like the idea of grabbing a copy of the house and making it more modern inside.
You can always keep with what you have for now and change it later if it still doesn't sit right with you. :)
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Rather than duplicating it exactly, I think I'd use the basic floor plan modify it somewhat. The spot across the street from my existing one works perfectly except for one thing. It has a terrible terrain paint bleed. Can't seem to get away from that in Riverview which is too bad.
A couple of my neighbors came in yesterday and I was showing them that I was doing (they asked). They didn't get it. :D
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When that has happened to me, and it's my build town, I just save what houses I haven't saved yet to the Library and start with a new copy of my build town. lol
The terrain bleed has happened a few times while playing, but not as often. If it gets to bad, I just save the family and their house to the library start a new save with them.
Hopefully your neighbors were nice and gave you a nice compliment on your houses.
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One of them is considerably older and almost blind so she had no idea what she was looking at. The other didn't understand how it was done. You either get it or you don't. I think most people who don't spend a lot of time on the computer don't get it because they have no interest.
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Ah yeah that's understandable. :)
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Back to the challenge...
I thought I was being very clever about hiding the roof in some of the windows. The small attic ones at the top of the front turret wouldn't take any curtains so I just built half walls around the windows and painted them a neutral color. It worked pretty well. There's still a tiny bit of roof that shows.
For the bigger windows below, you can see the point of the octagonal window so I thought by placing some furniture in there would take that away. It doesn't so it's going to need curtains. I put blinds in the turret in the back so that worked.
For the front windows there's not much in the curtain department that will work but if you're open to CC curtains, there's none better than Pocci.
Google Sims 3 Pocci curtains and click on images. There's so much to choose from and they're amazing. (not all of them Pocci).
Now, having said that, I have had these in my inventory for ages and I use them a lot.
https://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-objects-furnishing-decor-curtainsblinds/title/parisian-dining-room-curtain/id/1226407/
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I've noticed the roof shows in my Walton house. However when I have added a Sim and play with the house the roof doesn't show. It's just in build/buy mode that it shows.
I love the curtains!! :)
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Yes, now that I think about it. It only shows in buy/build.
I have a surprise for you but I need some lunch first. :D
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Whoot!! A surprise!! Sweet!! :)
I'm having a late lunch too.
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The Townsend II
5 Bedrooms/2.5 baths
$69,570
30 x 40 lot
This Queen Anne Victorian has been updated for today's modern family.
Downstairs features a family room with fireplace and a cosy reading nook.
There is a private den/office/library and a 2 piece powder room.
Upstairs has 5 bedrooms and 2 full bathrooms. The primary bedroom is en-suite and has a private balcony.
Possible attic expansion.
CC Used in Build:
Aria and Thorpe doors and windows, and Victorian details courtesy of Mutske (TSR)
Custom content not included with build
Created by LaPaige46 - Aug 2021
Notes:
There are curtains/blinds in the attic and also in the turret in the back to help hide the roofline bleed-through. This bleed-through will not show in Live mode.
The troublesome Victorian railing has been removed and replaced with in-game Mullet Fencing and Front Porch Columns.
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- List of Specific CC Used:
Thorp Window Dormer 1x1
Thorp Window Large 1x1
Thorp Window Counter 1x1
Thorp Window Middle Single 2x1
Aria Door Glass 2x1
Aria Door Glass 1x1
Victorian Style Gable 2x1
Victorian Style Corbel
Victorian Style Wall
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Links to All CC Sets:
Mutske Thorpe Windows and Doors #1
https://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/thorpe-windows-and-doors-part-1/id/1059053/
Mutske Thorpe Windows and Doors #2
https://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Mutske/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/thorpe-windows-and-doors-part-2/id/1059072/
Aria Windows and Doors
https://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/aria-windows-and-doors/id/1112533/
Victorian Style Build Set #1 ~ Roof Decor, Wall Coverings and Windows
https://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Mutske/downloads/details/category/sims3-sets-objects-construction/title/victorian-style-buildset/id/1047337/
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Whew!! Putting that together is a lot of work and I was scared to death I would accidently delete (for the second time!)
Gives me new appreciation for all you do, MrsFlynn.
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Thank you for the compliment!! :)
I've had the forum software eat my replies and new posts so many times that now I type my replies or new posts in notepad and copy/paste into the message box. Upload any photos and copy/paste image links in where they need to go.
It's a stress saver!! lol
I absolutely love what you've done with the house!!
At first I was like wait a minute, why is this or that missing and wait.. she did what with the fence... Then I looked at the post a little closer. hehehehe and saw it's the Townsend II
Did you fix the siding? or just leave it? I love the fencing and posts.
The first floor is mostly open with just the bathroom and bedroom enclosed. Wow!!
The primary room on the 2nd floor awesome!! I keep catching myself asking how did she do this or that. lol :)
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You're very welcome. We don't really appreciate how hard you work for us though I'm sure it's a labor of love. How can you not love us? :D
I didn't do anything with the siding because I don't really understand what the issue is because it's just base game stuff. I don't know what I would do to make it any different other than removing the corner trim which I think is essential to the look of the house.
Good point about copy/pasting. Makes editing a lot easier. Can you check the copy on the T-II please, and see if I'm missing anything?
I removed the Perfect Door/Window. Decided I didn't really like the door anyway, and I couldn't create 2 bedrooms at the front of the house with that window in the middle.
I'm keeping T-I as is keeping the vintage theme (somewhat updated), but with T-II I may redo the exterior. I have a bunch of other houses that need to be decorated (or built for that matter). Maybe I won't do too much decorating because once I move my sims into town, David, who is in the architect career, is going to need something to do. :D
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BTW, you can see if Teatalker wants it. I'll put it in the Private Collections for now.
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Yep it's a labor of love, it makes me and do love all of yous. lol
Oooh okay. Yeah I'm not sure how to explain what I did differently to get it to stay. Other than share how I was able to do it.
I placed 3 separate wall pieces. Place the Horizontal Clapboard in the middle, left and right corner pieces on the single walls. Recolor and retexture with wood. And then copy them to the house very carefully. :) - Then look back over to make sure you didn't miss any corner spots *Blush*


And we do want the corner pieces as like you said, they are very essential to the look of the house!!
You do want to leave some of the decorating to your architect Sim. Though, you could add some basics for now?
I'll check over the TII Listing and make sure everything is good to go and ask if TeaTalker wants to download it. :)
Edited to add....
With us sharing photos back and forth I did see a few siding pieces I missed. *Blush* They've since been replaced. So thanks to our testing. The siding is staying put as well as the sides. :)
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That's an interesting way to do the siding. I just do it when the wall us up. I'll try it that way next time.
If you want to, you could test drive T-II and see if the corners stay.
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I can definitely check TII :)
Pmed you about the attic window.
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Noted and responded.